On [[todo/auto-create_tag_pages_according_to_a_template]], [[chrysn]] suggests: > Instead of creating a file that gets checked in into the RCS, the > source files could be left out and the output files be written as > long as there is no physical source file (think of a virtual underlay). > Something similar would be required to implement alias directive, > which couldn't be easily done by writing to the RCS as the page's > contents can change depending on which other pages claim it as an alias. `add_autofile` could be adapted to do this, or a similar API could be added. This would also be useful for autoindex, as suggested on [[plugins/autoindex/discussion]]. I'd also like to use it for [[plugins/contrib/album]]. One refinement I'd suggest is that if the transient page is edited, its transient contents are evaluated and used as the initial content for the edit box; after that, it'd become a static page. --[[smcv]] -------------------------- [[!template id=gitbranch branch=smcv/ready/transient author="[[smcv]]"]] [[!tag patch]] I think this branch is now enough to be useful. It adds the following: If the `transient` plugin is loaded, `$srcdir/.ikiwiki/transient` is added as an underlay. Pages with the default extension in the transient underlay are automatically deleted if a page of the same name is created in the srcdir (or an underlay closer to the srcdir in stacking order). `tag` enables `transient`, and if `tag_autocreate_commit` is set to 0 (default 1), autocreated tags are written to the transient underlay. `autoindex` uses autofiles. It also enables `transient`, and if `autoindex_commit` is set to 0 (default 1), autoindexes are written to the transient underlay. autoindex ignores pages in the transient underlay when deciding whether to generate an index. Not done yet: `remove` can't remove transient pages: this turns out to be harder than I'd hoped, because I don't want to introduce a vulnerability in the non-regular-file detection... Transient tags that don't match any pages aren't deleted: I'm not sure that that's a good idea anyway, though. Similarly, transient autoindexes of directories that become empty aren't deleted. Recent changes and aggregated files could conceivably go in the transient underlay too. > I can confirm that the behavior of autoindex, at least, is excellent. > Haven't tried tag. Joey, can you merge transient and autoindex? --JoeRayhawk -------------------------- ## An earlier version I had a look at implementing this. It turns out to be harder than I thought to have purely in-memory pages (several plugins want to be able to access the source file as a file), but I did get this proof-of-concept branch to write tag and autoindex pages into an underlay. This loses the ability to delete the auto-created pages (although they don't clutter up git this way, at least), and a lot of the code in autoindex is probably now redundant, so this is probably not quite ready for merge, but I'd welcome opinions. Usage: set `tag_underlay` and/or `autoindex_underlay` to an absolute path, which you must create beforehand. I suggest *srcdir* + `/.ikiwiki/transient`. Refinements that could be made if this approach seems reasonable: * make these options boolean, and have the path always be `.ikiwiki/transient` * improve the `remove` plugin so it also deletes from this special underlay >> Perhaps it should be something more generic, so that other plugins could use it (such as "album" mentioned above). >> The `.ikiwiki/transient` would suit this, but instead of saying "tag_underlay" or "autoindex_underlay" have "use_transient_underlay" or something like that? >> Or to make it more flexible, have just one option "transient_underlay" which is set to an absolute path, and if it is set, then one is using a transient-underlay. >> --[[KathrynAndersen]] >>> What I had in mind was more like `tag_autocreate_transient => 1` or >>> `autoindex_transient => 1`; you might conceivably want tags to be >>> checked in but autoindices to be transient, and it's fine for each >>> plugin to make its own decision. Going from that to one boolean >>> (or just always-transient if people don't think that's too >>> astonishing) would be trivial, though. >>> >>> I don't think relocating the transient underlay really makes sense, >>> except for prototyping: you only want one, and `.ikiwiki` is as good >>> a place as any (ikiwiki already needs to be able to write there). >>> >>> For [[plugins/contrib/album]] I think I'd just make the photo viewer >>> pages always-transient - you can always make a transient page >>> permanent by editing it, after all. >>> >>> Do you think this approach has enough potential that I should >>> continue to hack on it? Any thoughts on the implementation? --[[smcv]] >>>> Ah, now I understand what you're getting at. Yes, it makes sense to put transient pages under `.ikiwiki`. >>>> I haven't looked at the code, but I'd be interested in seeing whether it's generic enough to be used by other plugins (such as `album`) without too much fuss. >>>> The idea of a transient underlay gives us a desirable feature for free: that if someone edits the transient page, it is made permanent and added to the repository. >>>> >>>> I think the tricky thing with removing these transient underlay pages is the question of how to prevent whatever auto-generated the pages in the first place from generating them again - or, conversely, how to force whatever auto-generated those pages to regenerate them if you've changed your mind. >>>> I think you'd need something similar to `will_render` so that transient pages would be automatically removed if whatever auto-generated them is no longer around. >>>> -- [[KathrynAndersen]]