I am aware that you (Joey) [[made_a_choice_against_a_mailing_list|contact]], but I would like to see you reconsider. The wiki works well for bugs and collaborating on the software, but not for simple user support issues. For instance, I spent the last three days waiting for any form of reply to my question on IRC (none so far): 09 15:49 < madduck> any ideas how to implement a two-level menu 09 15:40 < madduck> like http://www.abacons.ch/leistungen/treuhand.html ? 09 15:50 < madduck> the top bar are the main sections 09 15:50 < madduck> and then i might need subsections (further down) under each 09 15:50 < madduck> i'd like to do this without hardcoding sections in the template 09 15:50 < madduck> but at least the main sections are to appear on all pages 09 15:50 < madduck> so the template needs a slot, i just wonder how best to fill it 09 15:51 < madduck> i can only ever use one navbar it seems 09 15:51 < madduck> and i already need the sidebar for something else I would not know where to take this question on the wiki itself. A mailing list is made for these kind of questions, and as we pick up even more users, the number of such requests will also increase. --[[madduck]] > I wouldn't mind a mailing list myself. For many people, e-mail is more > efficient to process, particularly offline, than wiki pages. Also, > ikiwiki's discussion pages require a fair amount of discipline from > users to make it easy to follow a long discussion. On the other hand, > it would be interesting to make improvements to ikiwiki > (read: plugins) to to see if it's possible to accomodate both > mail people and online people. > --[liw](http://liw.fi) >> The [Zwiki](http://zwiki.org) project has ideas to mine in this area. We explored various permutations of wiki and mail list. >> Currently Zwiki's [email features](http://zwiki.org/Mail) are good enough that we use it as the mail list and don't run separate >> ml software. This is simple and mostly satisfying. Now and then we miss the familiarity and industrial >> strength of a standard mail list and its simple time-based archive. We do gateway with [gmane](http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.zope.zwiki) so people >> can use that as an alternative. I'm happy to chat about this, ping me.. >> --[sm](http://joyful.com) [[!tag wishlist]]