+> You've done a lot of work already, but ...
+>
+> The filter approach seems much simpler than the other approaches
+> for users to understand, since they can just use identical ikiwiki
+> markup on rst pages as they would use anywhere else. This is very desirable
+> if the wiki allows rst in addition to mdwn, since then users don't have
+> to learn two completly different ways of doing wikilinks and directives.
+> I also wonder if even those familiar with rst would find entirely natural
+> the ways you've found to shoehorn in wikilinks, named wikilinks, and ikiwiki
+> directives?
+>
+> Htmlize in filter avoids these problems. It also leaves open the possibility
+> that ikiwiki could become smarter about the rendering chain later, and learn
+> to use a better order for rst (ie, htmlize first). If that later happened,
+> the htmlize in filter hack could go away. --[[Joey]]
+
+> (BTW, the [[plugins/txt]] plugin already does html formatting
+> in filter, for similar reasons.) --[[Joey]]
+
+>> Thank you for the comments! Forget the work, it's not so much.
+>> I'd rank the :wiki: link addition pretty high, and the other changes way
+>> behind that:
+>>
+>> The :wiki:`Wiki Link` syntax is *very* appropriate as rst syntax
+>> since it fits well with other uses of roles (notice that :RFC:`822`
+>> inserts a link to RFC822 etc, and that the default role is a *title* role
+>> (title of some work); thus very appropriate for medium-specific links like
+>> wiki links. So I'd rank :wiki: links a worthwhile addition regardless of
+>> outcome here, since it's a very rst-like alternative for those who wish to
+>> use more rst-like syntax (and documents degrades better outside the wiki as
+>> noted).
+>>
+>>> Unsure about the degredation argument. It will work some of
+>>> the time, but ikiwiki's [[ikiwiki/subpage/linkingrules]]
+>>> are sufficiently different from normal html relative link
+>>> rules that it often won't work. --[[Joey]]
+>>>
+>>>> With degradation I mean that if you take a file out of the wiki; the
+>>>> links degrade to stylized text. If using default role, they degrade to
+>>>> :title: which renders italicized text (which I find is exactly
+>>>> appropriate). There is no way for them to degrade into links, except of
+>>>> course if you reimplement the :wiki: role. You can also respecify
+>>>> either the default role (the `wikilink` syntax) or the :wiki: role (the
+>>>> :wiki:`wikilink` syntax) to any other markup, for example None.
+>>>> --[[ulrik]]
+>>
+>> The named link syntax (just like the :wiki: role) are inspired from
+>> [trac][tracrst] and a good fit, but only if the wiki is committed to
+>> using only rst, which I don't think is the case.
+>>
+>> The rst-customize changes are very useful for custom directive
+>> installations (like the sourcecode directive, or shortcut roles I show
+>> in the examples page), but there might be a way for the user to inject
+>> docutils addons that I'm missing (one very ugly way would be to stick
+>> them in sitecustomize.py which affects all Python programs).
+>>
+>> With the presented changes, I already have a working RestructuredText
+>> wiki, but I'm admitting that using .. raw:: html around all directives is
+>> very ugly (I use few directives: inline, toggle, meta, tag, map)
+>>
+>> On filter/htmlize: Well **rst** is clearly antisocial: It can't see HTML,
+>> and ikiwiki directives are wrappend in paragraph tags. (For wikilinks
+>> this is probably no problem). So the suggestion about `.. ikiwiki:` is
+>> partly because it looks good in rst syntax, but also since it would emit
+>> a div to wrap around the element instead of a paragraph.
+>>
+>> I don't know if you mean that rst could be reordered to do htmlize before
+>> other phases? rst must be before any preprocess hook to avoid seeing any
+>> HTML.
+>>
+>>> One of my long term goals is to refactor all the code in ikiwiki
+>>> that manually runs the various stages of the render pipeline,
+>>> into one centralized place. Once that's done, that place can get
+>>> smart about what order to run the stages, and use a different
+>>> order for rst. --[[Joey]]
+>>
+>> If I'm thinking right, processing to HTML already in filter means any
+>> processing in scan can be reused directly (or skipped if it's legal to
+>> emit 'add_link' in filter.)
+>>
+>> -- [[ulrik]]
+
+>>> Seems it could be, yes. --[[Joey]]
+>>>
+>>>> It is not clear how we can work around reST wrapping directives with
+>>>> paragraph tags. Also, some escaping of xml characters & <> might
+>>>> happen, but I can't imagine right now what breakage can come from that.
+>>>> -- [[ulrik]]
+
+[tracrst]: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/WikiRestructuredText
+
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